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in Kingman Arizona in the spring of 1953

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is potentially one of the most

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controversial UFO crash cases in history

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in most of these cases despite the

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obvious caution such claims usually fall

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into one category or another with the

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Kingman event compelling arguments are

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made for both it being a genuine event

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or something explained with more

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down-to-earth reasons the Kingman UFO

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crash has been debated for decades and

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as things stand right now looks set to

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continue to be so for decades to come

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even though the events occurred three

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quarters of a century ago in the first

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years of the modern UFO ERA this is the

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this is somewhere in the skies with Ryan

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foreign

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to a chapter written in the book exposed

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uncovered and Declassified by author and

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researcher Nick Redfern the origins of

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the apparent UFO crash at Kingman

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Arizona can be traced back to 1971.

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Redfern relays that two young UFO

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investigators Jeff young and Paul

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Chatham were investigating reports of

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the alleged crash which included not

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only the recovery of The Craft but an

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extraterrestrial body as well

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Redfern would relate that the pair

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obtained much of their information via a

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friend of the young family Arthur

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Stancil who further claimed that he

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himself had firsthand knowledge of the

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incident

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stencil for the most part and at least

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on the surface appeared to be credible

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and reliable

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he was a veteran of the second world war

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who had taken part in the D-Day Landings

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and had since obtained a master's degree

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in engineering

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but of more interest to the

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investigators at the time of the

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incident in early 1953 Stancil was

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walking at the quote Ultra secret Nevada

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Proving Ground

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where many atomic bombs were being

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tested particularly between the spring

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and summer of that year as part of

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on the evening of May 21st 1953 stanso

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would be witness to something a little

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different from nuclear weapons tests

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and even more interesting the incident

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according to Stancil was investigated by

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none other than the U.S Air Forces

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Project Blue Book

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but even more interesting stanzo was

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indeed working for Project Blue Book at

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the time

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on the knighted question the base

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commander at Wright-Patterson Air Force

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Base in Ohio made an out of the blue

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phone call to Stancil

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he would order him to make his way to

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Phoenix Arizona where he would be picked

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up by awaiting military vehicle and

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taken to the location of a recently

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crashed vehicle several miles outside

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Kingman

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a vehicle he was told was a top secret

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military project

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when he arrived there however he felt

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the downed craft or what was left of it

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was not of any design he had ever

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previously seen

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he recalled that it was a cross between

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a teardrop and a cigar and was

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approximately 12 feet long

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further details were offered years later

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in 2016 by another UFO investigator and

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past contributing writer for the podcast

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Preston Dennett who claimed that the

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object was metallic 30 feet wide and

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three and a half feet high as well as

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being oval shaped with portholes

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more astonishing inside the crippled

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object were the remains of a humanoid

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occupant although they were certainly

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not human according to Stancil this

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humanoid figure was around four feet

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tall with dark skin and facial features

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that were unlike any human being

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once again we should highlight the

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comments of the previously mentioned

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pressed in tenet who claimed there were

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quote two to four four foot tall

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humanoids inside the craft all of which

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were dead in warm metallic suits and had

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large dark eyes

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from there as Redfern further relays in

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his book the investigation grew cold

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an article did appear though in the

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April 23 1973 edition of the Middlesex

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news an article that caught the

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attention of a UFO investigator Raymond

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Fowler intrigued by the claims follower

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himself begin investigating the alleged

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crash

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in a bizarre twist Fowler would

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eventually discover that Stancil was

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employed by the same company he himself

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had worked for and contacting him was

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decidedly simple on the afternoon of May

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4th 1973 almost 20 years to the day that

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the apparent incident occurred Fowler

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walked into stancil's office in order to

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speak to the witness further of what he

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knew of the controversial claims of

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downed alien craft and extraterrestrial

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occupants and it was here where the tale

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began to take a series of twists

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stencil begin to tell his account to

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Fowler however it was immediately

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apparent that there were several

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distinct differences between this

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version of events and the one he had

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recalled to Young and chaitham Fowler

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confronted stanza with this to which he

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responded that he was simply the worst

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for several martinis at the time he had

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first told of the incident

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still at least a little suspicious

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Fowler continued with his investigation

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based very much on the details that

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stencil had offered stencil had stated

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to father that upon arriving in Phoenix

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that may afternoon he was placed on a

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bus with blacked out windows and driven

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to the location in question as opposed

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to what he had told the two young UFO

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investigators in 1971 this version of

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events now matched the one that was put

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forward by Preston Dennett stanzo

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elaborated that when the investigative

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team looked inside the object they could

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see a cabin that was oval shaped and

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contained several technical screens and

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advanced devices as well as two swivel

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type chairs

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despite being told that the vehicle was

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a top secret military craft he stressed

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that everything about it was unlike

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anything he'd ever seen before and he

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had sincere doubts that the object was

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made on Earth

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according to the research of Preston

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Dennett the craft and the occupant was

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quickly moved to a discreet military

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facility either Area 51 in Nevada or to

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio

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further studies of The Craft according

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to the information volunteered by

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Stancil the craft likely struck the

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ground at around 1200 miles per hour

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despite this though it was only damaged

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in a very minor way

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Fowler would discover that Stancil had

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indeed worked in a variety of positions

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at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

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between 1949 and 1960 and again many of

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these departments and programs would

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have indeed dealt with recovered

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military vehicles at least officially

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despite the discrepancies and the

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admittance of having been drinking at

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one point while relaying all this Fowler

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did believe Stancil to be a credible

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witness and when other Witnesses began

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to approach follower over the coming

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years with their accounts that stencils

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overall version of events appeared to be

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corroborated

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several years later beginning in the

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late 1970s UFO researcher and

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investigator Leonard Stringfield began

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writing and speaking of the case

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the first of these was at the annual

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Mutual UFO Network Symposium in 1978

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at the Symposium Stringfield told them

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in account that he had been told by a

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fellow UFO researcher Charles Wilhelm

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who had in turn been told of the account

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from his father that involved a one

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major daily who claimed that he had been

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taken to the site of a UFO crash

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sometime around April 1953 only a month

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out from the date offered by stanso of

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May 1953.

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further resonating with stanzel's

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account the location was somewhere in

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the desert and Daley had arrived there

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after being placed on a bus and

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blindfolded Daley would describe the

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down craft as being largely undamaged of

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a metallic material in around 30 feet

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across Leonard Stringfield would reveal

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further details of his investigation

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into the account two years later in 1980

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according to his account during the

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summer of 1977 he was approached by a

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pilot following a UFO lecture in

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the pilot claimed that he had been

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present at a UFO crash site in Arizona

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at some point in early 1953 a site

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somewhere in the desert what's more

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there were several alien bodies

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recovered from the craft and taken to

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base the

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description of these alien bodies was

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remarkably similar to what was offered

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by sanso in that they were humanoid but

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with distinct differences

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not least the large eyes and the fact

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that they were only around four feet

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tall this Anonymous pilot further

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offered that one of these aliens was

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actually alive when the team arrived but

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that it had died shortly after

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Stringfield now more convinced than ever

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of the possibility of this account at

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least the basic details of it would

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continue investigating it and taking in

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new information as the years went by and

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by the mid-1990s had further information

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to reveal it was in February 1994 when

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Stringfield next revealed new

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significant information regarding the

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alleged UFO crash at Kingman according

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to Stringfield a source he identified

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only as quote jld had approached him

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what's more he had knowledge of not just

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one UFO crash in Arizona in 1953 but two

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of them however in a further

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disappointing twist Stringfield died a

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short time later

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the identity of jld remained a complete

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mystery several years later though

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another UFO investigator would step

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forward with apparent new information

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following the death of Stringfield UFO

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investigator Don Schmidt would come

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forward following information he had

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received on the alleged UFO crash at

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Kingman from a woman by the name of Judy

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according to what she told Schmidt in

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1965 she received a letter from her

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husband who at the time was serving in

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Vietnam and to say that the letter

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concerned her would be an understatement

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in the letter her husband told her of a

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bizarre event he had witnessed 12 years

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previously in 1953.

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the location of this apparent event

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that her husband who was a military

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officer at the time and who also

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happened to be on duty on the night in

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question claimed that an unidentified

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object had been picked up by the

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military radar

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rapid rate then it simply disappeared

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something otherworldly had crashed

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somewhere in the desert near Kingman

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and even more intriguing several alien

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occupants had been recovered from the

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wreckage

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even more concerning to Judy though was

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the intense feeling that her husband

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wouldn't make it home from Vietnam alive

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whether it was connected to the

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information he had relayed to his wife

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in the letter Judy confirmed that her

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husband did indeed die in Vietnam

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the story though would take on further

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twists and turns into the opening

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Decades of the 21st century over half a

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century after the alleged UFO Came

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Crashing to the ground in May of 1953

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claims stood for around a decade however

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in 2010 researcher Kevin Randall

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re-examined the case including the

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testimony of one Judy Wolcott who

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unfortunately at the time had passed

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away

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ultimately Randall found ample evidence

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to treat Judy's version of events with

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suspicion to say the very least

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as you're late by Nick Redfern in his

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previous book Randall would discover

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that much if not all of Judy's version

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of events simply didn't add up according

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to Randall's research Judy's husband had

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not died while serving in Vietnam and

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perhaps more damaging her own daughter

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offered to Randall that her mother often

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lied and made up stories regarding

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events in her life in the age of the

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internet and instant access to

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information debates still raged over

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just how credible the account of the

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Kingman UFO crash was even if such

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accounts as those from stencil and Judy

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went off the mark

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might it be that the basic notion of a

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downed UFO in the Arizona desert at some

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time in 1953 be more credible than most

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people thought we might keep in mind

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that the alleged crash occurred in

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between particularly heavy UFO waves

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across the United States in 1952 in 1954

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respectively

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so we know that whatever that might have

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been there was a prolonged and

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persistent UFO presence over the United

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States during this time

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unfortunately along with Judy Wolcott

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stansil has also since passed away in

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2006 however another person came forward

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thank you

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in his book Nick Redfern also highlights

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several developments regarding the

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Kingman crash

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for example another apparent

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whistleblower surfaced one bill you

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house who claimed to have worked on

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several top secret government projects

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in Nevada decades prior one of these

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locations uhas claimed was none other

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than Area 51 as well as possibly working

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with what he claimed was alien

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technology from downed Vehicles u-house

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also claimed that several alien entities

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referred to as ebe's or extraterrestrial

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biological entities were also housed at

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this top secret location even more

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remarkable some of these aliens were

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alive

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perhaps a further interest was the

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assertion that the reason the public is

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kept in the dark regarding ETS and alien

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technology goes back to a deal organized

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by President Eisenhower new house would

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elaborate before his death in 2009 that

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a quote peace pact of sorts was signed

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something arranged between Eisenhower on

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behalf of the United States the United

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Nations and the Extraterrestrial race

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concerned

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of course this would resonate nicely

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with the assertions that Eisenhower had

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made a deal with an extraterrestrial

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race in February 1954 less than a year

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after the alleged Kingman crash for

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advanced technology in return for a base

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to work out of in America

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as well as access to the population for

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experimental purposes essentially

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permission to abduct people

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perhaps some more interest though of the

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claims from you house that one of those

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projects was the UFO that had crashed

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just outside of Kingman in 1953 and he

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would State the same as Stancil that

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four extraterrestrial occupants were

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recovered from the wreckage one of whom

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initially survived but died a short time

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later

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as one other particular point of

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interest that you house offered that

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could have been corroborated by the

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release of information that appeared

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online from an anonymous whistleblower

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who claimed he used to work for United

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States intelligence

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you have said offered that several of

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the recovery team at the Kingman

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incident had gone on to develop a

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multitude of health problems that

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appeared to have been from coming into

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contact with either the wrecked craft

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the ETS or both

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according to what this anonymous source

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stated the Kingman UFO crash was an

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actual event and it was one that did

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indeed result in the recovery of four

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alien occupants the alleged Former

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Intelligence officer however claimed

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that of the four two of the ETS survived

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the crash perhaps The crucial detail

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though is the assertion that several of

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the recovery team went on to experience

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ill health and this was due in fact to

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coming into close contact with the

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wreckage

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can imagine there have been several

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different reactions from inside the UFO

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Community from this testimony while some

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believe it offers further proof to the

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fact that an alien vessel did indeed

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come crashing on the ground others

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believe it's merely another false

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statement with little evidence to back

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it up

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while it is certainly possible that the

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anonymous intelligence officer is a

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credible Source after all if one was to

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devote such Secrets they would surely do

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so under anonymity for obvious reasons

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we can suspect that if someone was

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looking to manufacture such an account

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they would not do so anonymously what

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would be the point

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on most occasions those who submit false

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reports do so for attention or the

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possibility of monetary reward something

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they could not get while remaining

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unknown but there is of course a third

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possibility the government or

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intelligence agencies purposefully

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planted this information into the UFO

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Community as disinformation at its

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finest a way of making the waters much

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murkier than they already are and

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possibly to be able to dismiss other

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testimonies as false all that easier

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we've seen this before in the UFO field

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many times where one truth is sandwiched

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between two lies the sandwich always

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spoils and is thrown out entirely

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let's stay with redfern's summary of the

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case a little further as he highlights

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the claims of one Marion Shaw in 2009

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who came forward with the parent further

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cooperating testimony regarding the

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Kingman UFO crash she claimed that she

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had worked as a secretary in the early

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1950s at the Pentagon she had worked her

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way up to working with high security

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documents she claimed that she had once

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been asked to type a report on the

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apparent Kingman UFO crash a lengthy

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document at that and that this report

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mentioned the recovery of both the craft

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and extraterrestrials she would

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elaborate that the report featured

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details of the craft and why it was

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thought to have crashed as well as

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autopsies on the dead alien bodies

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despite these claims there could indeed

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be a more rational explanation indeed

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Nick Redfern summarized by offering such

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an explanation that the downed craft was

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in fact a qf80 aircraft that was

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remotely piloted and featured a

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chimpanzee in the cockpit as part of the

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tests relating to the nuclear weapons at

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the time

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specifically how the plane's and Pilots

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would fare if they had to fly into an

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atomic cloud is it possible that one of

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these planes could have crash landed in

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Kingman Arizona

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and if we assume the wings were lost the

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fuselage as Redfern points out would

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appear very much like a cigar-shaped

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object as for the apparent alien it is

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perhaps reasonable to think given this

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animal pilot was wearing basic pilot

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equipment including a helmet that these

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pilots who would only have been seen

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fleetingly and from a distance would

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mistake them for alien entities

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furthermore if we assume these tests did

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involve the flying through Atomic clouds

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then that might explain why some of the

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recovery team felt unwell in the days

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that followed

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in short something did happen that day

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but it was as stanzo claimed in accident

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with a top secret military aircraft

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involving tests the military in the Cold

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War environment no less wish to keep as

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close to the chest as possible as we

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might imagine many people maintain that

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Kingman has more to it than we currently

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recognize

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with all of this in mind just what

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should we make of the allegations that a

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UFO or a vehicle From Another World

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piloted by extraterrestrial occupants

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crash landed in the desert of Arizona as

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we've seen from redfern's compelling

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argument it does make sense

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and given everything we know of the

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claims surrounding the apparent crash

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this conclusion is arguably the most

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likely

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but we can't fully discount the idea of

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alien craft crashing to the ground

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during the 1940s and 50s is it really

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that much of a stretch of the

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imagination

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especially when we consider the sheer

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wealth of claims that have come from

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whistleblowers

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albeit many of whom remain anonymous not

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to mention possible crash retrieval

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programs throughout the years

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and while we should by their nature

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treat these claims with just a pinch of

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salt there are enough of them to

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continue to keep poking away at these

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claims

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after all if only one of them is even

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partially true it changes things for all

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of us

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and maybe it's possible that that one

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case happened in Kingman Arizona in

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here in an exclusive interview with the

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disclosure project bill you house talks

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about working on re-engineered E.T craft

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particularly the one that crashed in

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Kingman Arizona I've spent 10 years in

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Marine Corps four years working with the

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Air Force as a civilian doing

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experimental testing on aircraft since

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my Marine Corps days I was a pilot in

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the service

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and a fighter pilot and fought in World

563
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War II after late the latter part of

564
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,140
World War II and the Korean War conflict

565
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,320
after I got out of the Marine Corps I

566
00:25:58,990 --> 00:25:57,600
took a job with the Air Force at

567
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:59,000
Wright-Patterson

568
00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:02,039
doing experimental flight testing on

569
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:04,200
various different modifications and Tech

570
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:05,700
orders that they had

571
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:07,620
incorporated into aircraft various

572
00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:10,860
different aircraft f-89

573
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,500
back then the beef B-47

574
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,240
f-102 and those aircraft

575
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,640
well I was at uh

576
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,500
Wright Patterson of course I was

577
00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:25,200
approached by a individual that

578
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:28,820
and I I'm not going to mention his name

579
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,360
to determine if I wanted to work in a an

580
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:35,400
area and just

581
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,760
new creative things okay and apparently

582
00:26:44,049 --> 00:26:41,220
that was the flying disc simulator

583
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:44,059
what they had done they had selected

584
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:48,179
several of us in a reassigned me to a

585
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:50,340
link Aviation which was a simulator

586
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:52,260
manufacturer

587
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,360
at that time they were building what

588
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:56,460
they call the c11b

589
00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:00,659
and f-102 simulator b47 simulator and so

590
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:01,620
forth

591
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:03,659
and they wanted us to get the experience

592
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,559
before we actually started work on the

593
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:09,600
flying disc simulator

594
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:14,159
which I spent 30 some years working on

595
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:15,720
this simulator wasn't actually

596
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,419
functional until around 1958.

597
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:19,760
where

598
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:23,340
the simulator was actually operable

599
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:26,100
the simulator that they use or the

600
00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:28,980
craft that they used to build

601
00:27:32,769 --> 00:27:31,380
which is a 30 meter one was the one that

602
00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:32,779
the crashed in

603
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:34,700
Arizona

604
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:41,700
back in 53 or 52 I think was 53. that's

605
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,080
the one they used that's the first one

606
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,600
that they took out to the test site it

607
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,720
was a controlled

608
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:51,240
craft you know that the aliens wanted to

609
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:52,740
present to

610
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:56,039
uh our government or the USA

611
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,679
it landed about 15 miles from uh which

612
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:00,600
used to be an Army Air Base

613
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,299
which is now defunct army base I forget

614
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,880
that I can't recall the name of it

615
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:07,860
but that particular craft there were

616
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:10,919
some problems with number one getting it

617
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:14,640
on the flatbed to take it up to area 51.

618
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,640
they couldn't get it across the dam

619
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:19,440
because of the road

620
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,500
it had to be bars across to you know the

621
00:28:26,529 --> 00:28:24,720
Colorado River at the time and then

622
00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:26,539
taken up to

623
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:29,720
where people go now up

624
00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,200
93 out the area 51 which was uh

625
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:36,539
just being really constructed at the

626
00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:37,260
time

627
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:39,779
and taken down those dirt roads and out

628
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:41,580
out to that particular area of the test

629
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:42,779
site

630
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:46,500
there were four aliens aboard that thing

631
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:49,620
and those aliens went to Los Alamos it

632
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,020
was a sort of a test thing they said it

633
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,360
they set up the Los Alamos with a

634
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:57,299
particular area for those for those guys

635
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,360
and they put certain people into their

636
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:03,360
in there with them uh people that uh

637
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,340
you know we're astrophysicists you know

638
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:08,640
uh just general scientists you know to

639
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,440
ask them questions uh the funny the way

640
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:12,360
the story was told to me was there was

641
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:13,799
only one of them that would talk to any

642
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,679
to any of these scientists that they put

643
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,659
in the lab with them only one of the

644
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:21,059
aliens the Russ wouldn't talk to anybody

645
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,580
or you know even have a conversation

646
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:25,500
with them you know first they thought

647
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,340
you know it was all you know ESP or you

648
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,980
know yeah mental telepathy but you know

649
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:33,539
most of that's

650
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:36,419
most had it's kind of a joke to me

651
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:43,549
maybe not like we do but they'd actually

652
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:46,380
speak and can converse you know but

653
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,120
there was only one the difference

654
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:50,520
between this aircraft and and or this

655
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:52,919
disc and other other discs that they had

656
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:53,940
looked at

657
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:57,360
was that it was much simpler design in

658
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,220
the simulator it was one one big thing

659
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,380
different the thing that like Lazar

660
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:03,720
calls the reactor okay we didn't have a

661
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,159
react we had a

662
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,340
we had a space in a thing that looked

663
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:10,559
like the reactor but that wasn't the

664
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:13,380
thing we operated the simulator with we

665
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:17,340
operated with six large capacitors that

666
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:20,760
were charged with a million volts each

667
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:22,440
says there were six million volts in

668
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,179
those capacitors their largest

669
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,279
capacitors ever built

670
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,799
uh these particular capacitors they last

671
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,899
for 30 minutes so you could get in there

672
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,919
and actually

673
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,100
work the controls and do what you had to

674
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,080
to uh

675
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,440
get the aircraft or get the simulator

676
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,240
did this operate okay

677
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:45,120
actually when it when it was operable

678
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,080
it would lift off the ball about

679
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,559
a certain amount of uh there was a

680
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,539
dimension there that we had

681
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:57,059
that it actually lifted up and it could

682
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:58,440
actually turn

683
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:00,539
you know a certain certain amount of

684
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:02,520
degrees left to right or whatever

685
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,360
but in a simulator now uh you'll notice

686
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:08,940
that uh there are no seat belts right

687
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,179
and the same thing with the actual craft

688
00:31:16,510 --> 00:31:14,460
no seat belts you don't need seat belts

689
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,520
because when you fly one of these things

690
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,960
upside down there's no upside down like

691
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:20,940
in a regular aircraft you have your own

692
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,880
gravitational field right inside so if

693
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,220
you're flying upside down to you you're

694
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,559
right side up you're one ending Windows

695
00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:31,740
the only place we had any uh visibility

696
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,220
at all and it was done with uh

697
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:37,679
uh with cameras or videos type things at

698
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:39,539
that time

699
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,940
was in the turret in the turret section

700
00:31:45,889 --> 00:31:44,399
my thing was a flight deck and the

701
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:45,899
instruments on the flight deck I knew

702
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:48,419
about the gravitational field and what

703
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,620
it took to

704
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:52,140
get people to you know train them to be

705
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:53,940
able to come in that thing you know and

706
00:32:00,350 --> 00:31:57,600
and operate you would be sick or

707
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:00,360
disoriented in about two minutes after

708
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:03,659
getting in after it was cranked up

709
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:06,179
after a while after you get used to you

710
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,539
know you and you do it it's it's simple

711
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:11,039
you just

712
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:13,020
you got to know where everything is you

713
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:14,279
know and you got to understand what's

714
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,480
going to happen

715
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,059
to your body it's no different than

716
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,520
you know accepting the g-forces you know

717
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:22,919
when you're flying a aircraft that are

718
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:24,419
coming out of a dive you know that kind

719
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,860
of thing it's a

720
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:28,320
it's a whole new ball game each engineer

721
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,520
that had anything to do with the design

722
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:32,159
was part of startup crew you know verify

723
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:35,179
all their stuff that they put in

724
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,760
works like it's supposed to

725
00:32:46,269 --> 00:32:41,120
so you really never knew how many we had

726
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,279
the last 40 years or so or 60 years

727
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,919
maybe there's uh

728
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,500
I'd say 40 Years anyway

729
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:54,480
man that kind of simulators I'm talking

730
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:57,720
about actual craft is probably

731
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,120
two or three dozen there are certain

732
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:01,919
reasons for the secrecy I I could

733
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,340
understand that no different than

734
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,380
you know the first atomic bomb that they

735
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:08,880
built

736
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:11,580
but uh you know they're getting so far

737
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:12,779
ahead now

738
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:14,700
with aircraft design and people have

739
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:16,679
come up and they're visualizing and

740
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,640
seeing

741
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:19,679
some of the design aspects that are put

742
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,419
in some of the aircraft today

743
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:24,720
and eventually I'm saying

744
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,610
most of this stuff will be out

745
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,019
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746
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,779
in everybody's plate to look at

747
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:32,820
maybe not the way that

748
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:35,700
everybody expects it but in some manner

749
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:37,559
they they determine appropriate you know

750
00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:38,519
to

751
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:54,470
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00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:00,350
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